{"id":14362,"date":"2015-09-10T11:00:24","date_gmt":"2015-09-10T15:00:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/simpleprogrammer.com\/?p=14362"},"modified":"2018-04-12T01:04:53","modified_gmt":"2018-04-12T05:04:53","slug":"not-allowed-to-learn-on-the-job","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/simpleprogrammer.com\/not-allowed-to-learn-on-the-job\/","title":{"rendered":"Not Allowed to Learn on the Job"},"content":{"rendered":"

In this episode, I give my advice on training within work time. Should learning on the job be allowed?<\/p>\n

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John<\/strong>:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Hey, John Sonmez from simpleprogrammer.com<\/a>. I got this question about training in work time. This is kind of an interesting one. I\u2019ve gotten a few people that have mentioned things about this. I\u2019ve talked about this a little bit before about my philosophy on this. I think this question highlights a couple of good points I\u2019d like to bring up. I think it could help you in your career.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m actually going to avoid the name completely on this one just because this is a pretty sensitive topic. If you asked the question and you\u2019d like me to your name, I can put it in the description but I\u2019m assuming you don\u2019t want your name on this. Anyway, it says, \u201cHi John, first of all I would like to say how much I enjoy watching your videos on simpleprogrammer.com<\/a>, Pluralsight and listening to you on .NET Rocks!\u201d Well, thank you.<\/p>\n

\u201cI currently have a gripe at work which I would like some advice on. I work for a small software company which has 3 dev teams of 4 to 5 people. My role is leader of one of those teams. The issue is training within work time. The company has a policy, not enforced, that any training should not be done within work time and you should be up to date with the technologies the company decides to move forward with. Whether I agree with this or not I respect this and spend many hours training, mainly Pluralsight, in my own time. I have a routine of watching 30 minutes before and after work everyday and usually watch around 2 hours on the weekends plus reading on Holidays.<\/p>\n

\u201cThe problem is many developers ignore this policy and can spend hours a day reading blogs and watching Pluralsight to learn about the frameworks they\u2019re being asked to develop in. I find this really frustrating as I spend too much of my personal time learning new frameworks\/languages only for other to get paid to do the same. This makes me feel really angry and like I just want to stop work and watch training videos myself.<\/p>\n

\u201cI can understand that junior devs are allowed leeway in this policy but some of the people taking advantage here have 10, 20-ish years experience compared with my 4. When I raise this issue I just get told we have no choice as they are not going to learn on their own time and this is why I am classed as a senior and they aren\u2019t. I don\u2019t care about titles or the fact that they will be getting paid much more than me. I just find it so unfair. My question is am I being silly? Is this normal? I seem to be the only person who feels cheated around this issue. What can I do to stop myself from feeling so resentful and wanting to leave? Any advice would be great. Keep up the good work.\u201d<\/p>\n

I have a lot to say on this one. Well, let me tell you what I\u2019ve always done, my basic philosophy is I\u2019ve always\u2014I\u2019ve sat there at my job and cracked open a book and read it while at work. Now I\u2019ve sat in spend the whole day reading a book and I\u2019ve \u2026 The book was not just like some random book, it was a book related to what I\u2019m working on because I believe that part of my job is to figure out how to do my job the best way possible. I could try to fumble my way through a thing because I can\u2019t train at work or I could\u2014and spend hours trying to figure out something that I could just look up and learn properly in order to be able save a whole bunch of time over the course of the project, right?<\/p>\n

Someone could tell me, \u201cOh you need to do that on your own time\u201d in which case my answer is well, no, I\u2019m just going to say no, I\u2019m just going to do it because I\u2019m a professional and I\u2019m going to do my job. My job involves\u2014part of it involves training myself. I just would not accept that as an answer.<\/p>\n

In order to be able to do your job efficiently you need to be able to train yourself as well. That might be on company time but you\u2019re going to train yourself on company time no matter what, right? Let\u2019s say that you have this silly policy where you can\u2019t train at company time. So then you need to work on this framework you don\u2019t know anything about. Okay, so then you go and you figure it out, but you can\u2019t look it up in a book, you can\u2019t watch a training video on it, you\u2019ve just got to figure it out or read the documentation on the slide or look things up as you fumble your way through it. You\u2019re still going to be training, you\u2019re going to be learning it and figuring it out. You\u2019re going to be messing it up. You\u2019re going to be wasting time. All this other stuff is going to happen until you do go home and read the book yourself I guess if you\u2019re willing to work for someone for free. I\u2019ve expressed my opinion on that.<\/p>\n

Anyway, that\u2019s generally what I\u2019ve done. I\u2019ve never been in trouble for that. No time has some employer and it\u2019s probably because I also have done excellent work for them so no time has an employer come up to me and said, \u201cOh hey, stop reading that book. You can\u2019t read this book about this thing that you\u2019re working on.\u201d It would be silly. If they did, honestly, I would just quit. I would go find another job first but I would not stay in an environment that did that.<\/p>\n

What is my advice to you here? Well, before I give you my advice I do want to say that I commend you on what you\u2019re doing. You should be training on your own. This might seem a little contradictory but you should be spending 30 minutes a day before and after work reading on your own or watching videos or doing all that, you should, you absolutely should because your career is up to you and developing your skills is up to you. You have to take charge of that and you have to do that and it takes more than just working your 9 to 5. If you really want to have an exceptional career and succeed I spend countless hours\u2014even though I spend some time training myself at work like reading, I spend majority of my time training myself outside of work and I still do, I still am constantly listening to books and constantly\u2014I go through probably like 4 to 5 books a month and I\u2019m doing that\u2014obviously all my time belongs to me now, but I did that when I was working for someone else and I recommend that you do that as well which you\u2019re doing already.<\/p>\n

As far as this whole on the job training thing honestly I would just totally ignore this. From an employer perspective if someone is so cheap that they won\u2019t train their people they\u2019re asking for it. That\u2019s just ridiculous. You know what I mean? I have employees that work for me and I train them. They say, \u201cOh, no, no, I\u2019m not going to bill you for them.\u201d I say, \u201cNo, bill me for the time that we spent on the phone that I taught you how to do this thing or walked you through this because that is billable time.\u201d That is part of your job. It\u2019s my responsibility to train you. I can have you go and do a job that you don\u2019t know how to do and waste a whole bunch of my time or I can train you to do the job.<\/p>\n

I think from an employer perspective they should and they\u2019re really being penny wise and pound foolish if they don\u2019t invest in training. A lot of companies invest in spending thousands of dollars training their employees. This is definitely something that an employer should be doing.<\/p>\n

In general I would just say ignore this. If other people are breaking this rule\u2014there\u2019s no honor in sticking to this rule that is designed to take advantage of you. Just break it. Just do it. If they fire you\u2014I didn\u2019t give you this advice if they fire you. No, you have to realize that there\u2019s a risk to that, right? That could happen. But if you\u2019re doing good work, honestly, no one is going to fire you because you\u2019re watching some videos that are teaching you\u2014like if you\u2019re reading some fiction book or something like that or watching cat videos on YouTube they\u2019ll probably\u2014that could constitute something that you shouldn\u2019t be doing at work, but if you\u2019re watching my YouTube videos at work that\u2019s good. I guess that would be questionable, like borderline.<\/p>\n

Anyway, just do it. Just do it. That\u2019s my advice to you. Like I said maybe you\u2019ll suffer repercussions but I seriously, seriously doubt it especially if other people are already breaking the rule and yeah, it\u2019s a silly rule to begin with. Don\u2019t be blatant about it. Don\u2019t be like, \u201cOkay, yep, now it\u2019s time for me to watch my Pluralsight videos and do training at work. I\u2019m going to go do that.\u201d Just do it. Do it as you need to and take the time. Heck, come in earlier before anyone else is in to work and start your day a little earlier and leave a little earlier if you have that flexibility and do it when there\u2019s less people around. Don\u2019t make it so obvious, but yeah. That\u2019s what I would do.<\/p>\n

If it actually comes down to it, I would find another job, honestly. You\u2019re probably\u2014I don\u2019t know. I don\u2019t like to say this but if you\u2019re in an environment where the company is not willing to invest in at least training their people you might even just start looking now. I don\u2019t know what other issues you probably are facing there but that\u2019s the critical thing. Investing in your employees is really, really important.<\/p>\n

Anyway, I don\u2019t mean to open up another can of worms but thanks for the email. I think this is a good question. A lot of people have frequently asked things about this. A lot of people have been shocked to find out that I would be willing to train myself at work, like open up a book during work time. Heck, I would do it. I would recommend anyone do it. If you have an employer that\u2019s smart at all, they\u2019ll realize that they want to hire people that are willing\u2014because most employers won\u2019t even\u2014don\u2019t even care. They won\u2019t even train themselves even if they\u2019re paid on company time to train or paid to train themselves, they still won\u2019t do it. They don\u2019t care. If you\u2019ve got someone that\u2019s willing to do that to invest in their career you should help them for sure.<\/p>\n

Anyway, great question. Thanks for sending it. If you have a question for me that you\u2019d like me to answer so that you can get fired email me at john@simpleprogrammer.com<\/a> and subscribe to this channel. You can watch it at work. You can tell your boss that I told you that you could watch it at work so subscribe and watch my videos while you\u2019re at work. All right, take care.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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